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There is consensus to describe Musk as a supporter of far-right political parties per RfC and to include that he received widespread criticism for what some perceived as a Nazi salute, per RfC.

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Frequently asked questions

Q1: Can I write a message to Elon Musk here? (No.)

A1: No. The "Talk:Elon Musk" page is not for writing messages to Musk. It is only for discussing changes to the Wikipedia article about him. Writing a message to Musk here is pointless and disruptive, and such messages will be removed as an improper use of the page.

Q2: Can you update the article to call Musk a "business magnet"? (No.)

A2: No. Musk once suggested in an interview that his Wikipedia article be changed to describe him as a "business magnet" rather than a magnate. The tone of that interview was not very serious; he also claimed to be an alien.^[1] Wikipedia doesn't have to do what Musk says, and this request has been made and declined dozens of times already. New requests may be removed without a response so that other discussions are not disrupted.

Q3: Should Musk be identified as South African in the opening sentence?

A3: Musk is a US citizen (since 2002) born and raised in South Africa, and also acquired Canadian citizenship via his mother. Including these nationalities in the opening sentence in a balanced way would be complex, and the consensus is that they should instead be explained later in the lead.

Q4: Can you change "Tesla CEO" to "Tesla Technoking"?

A4: No, because he is still CEO according to company records and that is a common corporate title that readers will understand, unlike "Technoking". The goal of the article is to inform people, which would be hindered by raising a confusing technicality.

Q5: Should the mention of Errol Musk having an interest in an emerald mine be removed in view of Elon's denials?

A5: While Elon today vehemently disputes any history with an emerald mine, he formerly accepted and even confirmed it. Specifically, a 2014 report originally printed in the San Jose Mercury News (and cited in the article) stated that Errol Musk had "a stake in" a mine. Elon affirmed his father's mine involvement in an interview with Jim Clash, a career interviewer of public figures, that was published by Forbes and withdrawn without explanation a few months later. Elon biographer Ashlee Vance likewise confirmed Errol's mining interest, with Elon's objections but not denials, in a 2020 interview report with Elon. Errol has stated that he received hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of emeralds from his dealings.

Q6: Should "Bachelor of Arts in Physics" be "Bachelor of Science" instead?

A6: No. Although it may seem counterintuitive, "Bachelor of Arts" is awarded for all undergraduate degrees at the College of Arts and Sciences at the University of Pennsylvania. His economics degree however is from the Wharton School which does award a "Bachelor of Science" degree.

Q7: Should the article acknowledge doubts about Musk's academic record?

A7: Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons requires that negative information about a person must be attributed to reliable published sources, and excludes both self-published sources (e.g. Twitter threads) and court trial records. The article states that sources disagree about when Musk obtained bachelor degrees, and that he did not attend Stanford for any significant amount of time. Any doubts beyond this require appropriate sources.

Q8: Why doesn't this article describe Musk as an engineer?

A8: Musk is chief engineer of SpaceX, a title that applies within the company and that the press regularly mentions. He is not a professional engineer, a distinction within engineering that carries certain legal privileges in the United States, nor has he completed an engineering training program, nor has he ever been hired as an engineer. The article therefore does not include any of these claims. It does note that, from time to time, Musk has made initial product proposals at his companies that his trained engineers then research and develop. He does hold IEEE Honorary Membership.

Q9: Why doesn't the article identify Musk as co-founder of PayPal?

A9: Because that could mislead readers that Musk was involved in the creation of the PayPal service and brand, when he was not. Instead, as the article states, he co-founded a company (X.com Corporation) that acquired the company that had developed PayPal (Confinity Inc.) and then renamed itself as PayPal, Inc.

Q10: Why does this page include criticism of Musk's actions and stances?

A10: Musk is criticized/praised a lot in many reliable sources, and as such we need to talk about these criticisms and praise. To quote from Wikipedia's policy on a neutral point of view, articles must represent "fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic."

Q11: Why is this a "good article" when some people consider Musk a bad person?

A11: "Good article" on Wikipedia refers to the way the article is written, not what kind of person Musk is. Good articles have been found to satisfy Wikipedia editorial standards for accuracy, verifiability and balanced presentation.

Q12: Why doesn't this page call Musk African American?

A12: African Americans are an ethnic group of Americans with total or partial ancestry from any of the Black racial groups of Africa. Reliable sources do not use this term to describe Musk.

References

^ "Joe Rogan Experience #1169 - Elon Musk". The Joe Rogan Experience. September 6, 2018. Event occurs at 9:53. Retrieved October 2, 2020 – via YouTube.

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 15, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Elon Musk* lost $16.3 billion in a single day, the largest in the history of the* Bloomberg Billionaires Index?
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Breland, Ali (2024-08-20). "The Far Right Is Becoming Obsessed With Race and IQ". The Atlantic.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

Elon Musk in popular culture was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 14 May 2022 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Elon Musk. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Other activities of Elon Musk was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 7 February 2025 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Elon Musk. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:

Isobel Asher Hamilton (December 23, 2019). "Elon Musk fact-checked his own Wikipedia page and requested edits including the fact he does 'zero investing'". Business Insider. Retrieved December 23, 2019.
Don Reisinger (December 23, 2019). "Elon Musk Took Issue With His Wikipedia Page, So He Asked the Community to Fix It. They Did". Inc. Retrieved December 23, 2019.
Sissi Cao (December 23, 2019). "Elon Musk Says His Wikipedia Page Is 'Insanely' Inaccurate". Observer. Retrieved December 27, 2019.
"Wikipedia locks Elon Musk's page after he 'begs' Twitter users to 'trash him' on site". The Tribune (Chandigarh). August 17, 2020. Retrieved August 17, 2020.
Sanya Jain (August 17, 2020). "Elon Musk Is Begging - Yes, Begging - To Be Trashed On Wikipedia. True Story". NDTV. Retrieved August 17, 2020.
Stephen Harrison (May 3, 2022). "The Controversy Brewing on Elon Musk's Wikipedia Page". Slate. Retrieved May 3, 2022.
Dave Lee (October 26, 2023). "Now Elon Musk is attacking Wikipedia". Australian Financial Review. Retrieved October 31, 2023.
CT Jones (October 24, 2023). "Elon Musk Offers to Also Ruin Wikipedia". Rolling Stone. Retrieved November 5, 2023.
Will Bunch (December 29, 2024). "Explaining the right: Why Musk and MAGA are so mad at Wikipedia". Daily Kos. Retrieved December 29, 2024.
Oliver Willis (December 29, 2024). "Forget Greenland. Trump and Musk's real WWIII is an all-out war on the truth". The Philadelphia Inquirer. Retrieved December 31, 2024.
Marcie Jones (January 8, 2025). "Wikipedia Won't Let Elon Musk Fluff His Resume. Heritage Foundation Will Help By Terrorizing The Editors". Wonkette. Retrieved January 8, 2025.
Anthony Blair (January 21, 2025). "Elon Musk lashes out at Wikipedia over 'Nazi salute' claims at Trump's inauguration as he calls for site to be defunded". The Sun. Retrieved January 21, 2025.
Madeline Sherratt (January 22, 2025). "Elon Musk furious after Wikipedia page calls his controversial gesture a 'Nazi salute'". The Independent. Retrieved January 22, 2025.
Sophie Thompson (January 22, 2025). "Elon Musk is now demanding action against Wikipedia following inauguration gesture fallout". Indy100. Retrieved January 22, 2025.
Becca Milfeld (January 23, 2025). "Musk calls for defunding of Wikipedia over description of gesture". The Japan Times. Retrieved January 23, 2025.
Io Dodds (January 23, 2025). "'He is world's leading free speech hypocrite': Elon Musk's battle with Wikipedia is part of his war on truth". The Independent. Retrieved January 24, 2025.
Damien Leloup (January 29, 2025). "Why Elon Musk is calling for a boycott of Wikipedia". Le Monde. Retrieved January 30, 2025.
Sarah Grevy Gotfredsen (January 30, 2025). "The Right Takes Aim at Wikipedia". Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved January 30, 2025.
Tobias Carroll (February 5, 2025). "How Long Can Wikipedia Hold On?". InsideHook. Retrieved February 6, 2025.
Lila Shroff (February 5, 2025). "Elon Musk Wants What He Can't Have: Wikipedia". The Atlantic. Retrieved February 6, 2025.
Henry Chandonnet (February 21, 2025). "How Wikipedia became a political lightning rod". Fast Company. Retrieved February 23, 2025.
Margaret Talbot (March 4, 2025). "Elon Musk Also Has a Problem with Wikipedia". The New Yorker. Retrieved March 4, 2025.
Martha Ramirez (March 6, 2025). "Who's Funding Wikipedia and Why Is It Under Attack?". Inside Philanthropy. Retrieved March 6, 2025.
Feven Merid (March 13, 2025). "Wikipedia's Reluctant Resisters". Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved March 18, 2025.

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Public image --> Second paragraph --> Incorporate into Lead

Every day more and more people realize who actually has all the power in Washington right now. The article's reference to this is buried deep within. I'm glad it is there, but I think it would be better to rewire that 2nd paragraph into the lead section, specifically in the last paragraph about his political activity. We need to at least allude to how he's basically the POTUS right now. For example:

He has engaged in political activities in several countries, including as a vocal and financial supporter of Trump. Musk has been described as an American oligarch due to his extensive influence over public discourse, social media, industry, politics, and government policy in the United States. Musk was the largest donor in the 2024 U.S. presidential election and is a supporter of global far-right figures, causes, and political parties. After Trump's re-election, Musk's influence and actions during the transition period and the second presidency of Donald Trump led some to call him "President Musk", the "actual president-elect", "shadow president" or "co-president". Ee100duna (talk) 03:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We need a lot more than these to make such a claim. Slatersteven (talk) 11:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence of his influence:

[1] Trump holds Cabinet meeting with Elon Musk in attendance

[2] Trump and Musk appear together in the Oval Office to defend the work of DOGE

Sources specifically saying "President Musk"

[3] Elon Musk is President (opinion piece)

[4] Trump himself has jokingly referred to this

[5] Press release from Democrats' house page

[6] Ad by the Lincoln Project Ee100duna (talk) 15:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I might not have clarified in my initial post. The example I provided is the wording that is already in the article and it is appropriately sourced and formatted already. All I'm saying is to move that into the lead section because it is relevant to what he is currently doing. Ee100duna (talk) 15:05, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am unsure (given we are only 3 months in) that this is anything moremthan recentism. Let's wait and see if this is a lasting influence or if he will be rthreown under a bus like everyone else by Trumpy. Slatersteven (talk) 10:36, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: Vivian's rejection of Elon's inclining to far-right views

Resolved

Hello, does anyone append a short sentense using this Vivian's recently published interview? https://www.teenvogue.com/story/vivian-jenna-wilson-elon-musk-trans-youth

In "Views" seciton, there is the sentense of Isaacson's assumption:

> Isaacson's biography of Musk argued that some of his far-right views were "partially triggered" by the transition of his daughter, Vivian Jenna Wilson.

I'd like to see a sentense like this after that: "But Vivian rejected such narrative". shuuji3 (talk) 15:10, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Inclining to? Rejected such narrative? I might want some clarification as to exactly what you're asking. Anyway:

Done — I added the content you asked for; let me know if you believe it needs any corrections.
The content may be removed. There's a enough information about Musk to fit into the intro that other editors might find that information inappropriately placed or irrelevant, in which case it can be moved deeper into the article — or to Wilson's page instead.

1101 (talk) 09:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the edit. The new edit looks good to me. shuuji3 (talk) 10:35, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the content to Wilson's article instead per #2. Isaacson makes a claim, Wilson disputes the claim; that back-and-forth doesn't belong on Musk's BLP. Some1 (talk) 11:57, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Role as inventor missing

Search-engine results on the subject's name deliver this page with a readout that the subject is an "inventor", among other descriptors.

AI results ("may contain inaccuracies") say he has 28 patents. None are solely held by him. My question - should the subject's 'inventions'/'discoveries' be included/mentioned in this article? The words "patent" or "invent/invented/inventor/invention" appear nowhere in the main article or in the "business" child article.

here is one source to back up the "inventor" claims -- https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2025/01/fact-check-elon-musk-philip-low-patents.html Dano67 (talk) 16:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd just like to point out that the "inventor" comes from the Wikidata short description for his Wikidata entry. ―Panamitsu (talk) 10:01, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Political party

Is there any source behind him being a registered independent? If the most recent source is from before 2022, would it be possible to find more up to date sources that either still support him being a registered independent or support him changing political affiliations? CY223 (talk) 00:05, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Musk's attacks against Wikipedia

Why is there no section documenting his attacks against Wikipedia? Here's a good place to start:

"Elon Musk Also Has a Problem with Wikipedia"^[1]

There are many RS that deal with this topic, possibly enough for a whole article. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:55, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See Views of Elon Musk#Wikipedia Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It's good to the see the topic is at least mentioned here. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:05, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, its one of those situations where the subject says so many wild and crazy things that attract significant coverage and appear to have significant impacts on the world that figuring out what is really due for the main page is a real challenge. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sort of like dealing with Trump....

-- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:21, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, or Kanye or Swift or Putin... When they're in the news cycle every day it gets hard. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since Talbot, a highly respected writer, has synthesized the connection between Musk's right-wing conservative views and his well-known promotion of misinformation, I have documented her synthesis in that section Views of Elon Musk#Wikipedia. Feel free to improve it. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Talbot, Margaret (March 4, 2025). "Elon Musk Also Has a Problem with Wikipedia". The New Yorker. Archived from the original on March 11, 2025. Retrieved April 4, 2025.

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[1] "Joe Rogan Experience #1169 - Elon Musk". The Joe Rogan Experience. September 6, 2018. Event occurs at 9:53. Retrieved October 2, 2020 – via YouTube.

[Talbot_3/4/2025-2] Talbot, Margaret (March 4, 2025). "Elon Musk Also Has a Problem with Wikipedia". The New Yorker. Archived from the original on March 11, 2025. Retrieved April 4, 2025.

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